Darkest Dungeon II (2023)

As a longtime fan of the first Darkest Dungeon, I waited a long time to finally play the sequel - and I wasn't disappointed. I was genuinely afraid that the game would end up feeling like a simple reskin of the original, similar to how Slime Rancher 2 felt to me. Instead, Darkest Dungeon II completely reworks both its narrative style and core concept. In the end, very little remains from the first game beyond the name and the characters.

Naturally, it's impossible not to compare the sequel to the original, so all impressions - both positive and negative - are heavily tied to that comparison.

The game can be completed in around 30 hours, which feels significantly faster than Darkest Dungeon I. This is largely because the developers removed the massive amount of grinding that plagued the first game. Anyone who played it knows the pain: losing a level 5 hero on a routine expedition and having to grind a replacement from level one all over again. On top of that, once you sent a full team of level 6 heroes, you couldn't use them again - essentially punishing success.

That's all gone now. Each hero uses a form of global progression that persists between runs. In some ways, this even acts as a soft limiter, preventing players from completing everything too easily on their first attempts. Compared to the first game, this is a clear improvement.

Additionally, heroes are far less unbearable stress-wise. In the original, reaching 100 stress could easily spiral into a failed run, since one stressed-out hero would drag the rest of the party down with them. Over time, this almost guaranteed collapse.

In Darkest Dungeon II, the stress system is much more forgiving in the moment, but extremely important in the long term. I still consider this a very smart design choice. Yes, it makes the game easier, but it also makes it far more enjoyable than before.

My first boss encounter, they are so happy to face him.

However, a serious issue started bothering me closer to the end of the game.

Darkest Dungeon has always been about adapting to danger and quickly inventing new tactics under pressure. It thrived on unpredictability - you could never prepare for everything. Knowledge gave you an advantage, but there was always something that could push you into a disastrous situation.

In Darkest Dungeon II, the early runs are genuinely difficult, especially when it comes to lair bosses. For context: to reach the final boss, you must defeat at least one intermediate boss during a run. These enemies are extremely dangerous, and defeating them without preparation is very hard.

But once you start preparing properly - choosing the right heroes, the right buffs, the right setup - they become surprisingly easy. Every boss has a clear counter-strategy.

This is where the problem really hit me. By the late game, I had assembled a party that felt completely universal - and it truly was. I cleared all five chapters with the same team without much effort. The game turned into a routine where I used the same ability combinations in the same order, occasionally switching to healing.

Bosses suffered the same fate. Even though knowledge has always been powerful in Darkest Dungeon, here I felt almost no resistance once I knew how everything worked.

For those curious, my party was: Occultist, Jester, Flagellant, Man-at-Arms.

Over the 30 hours it took me to finish the base game, I genuinely had a great time. I wanted to experiment with different team compositions. I wanted to try harder difficulty modes. But once you know all the tricks - or simply master one strong team - the game quickly becomes a tedious routine.

I thought about this game some more recently, and I honestly re-read my review and went, damn. This game has such a gorgeous art style and voice-over, and yet, virtually every single other part of this game is genuinely terrible. I actually am bringing my review down to one star. It's so fascinating to pull up the Steam charts for this game to see that there's more over 4x people playing the first game than the second currently.

I keep trying to imagine what the game would've looked like if Red Hook had actually solved some of the issues with the gameplay systems of the first game. Throughout DD1's development, the game constantly had issues with balancing healing spam, and instead of finding an elegant solution, DD2 just makes healing absolutely trash that requires characters to be at incredibly low health to be useful, turning the game into a DPS slugfest. So many status effects like stuns aren't that interesting anymore. The bosses are puzzles rather than having unique gimmicks.

The story, too, it loses all of its interesting flair and atmosphere when every setting is just imaginary set dressing, and every enemy is just in this schizophrenic guy's mind. This game sucks. I really, really hate having to say it, but I really think this game is nearly objectively worse in every way than DD1 in terms of gameplay - the gorgeous character art of DD2 is the only thing I liked more.

Ugh.

This review is of the port to the Nintendo Switch, which released on July 15th, 2024. As of now, well over a month later, the game still has experience ruining bugs that happen consistently. One in particular, which causes a failure to reduce Loathing when you win a location battle, ramps up the difficulty on an intentionally hard game by a severe degree while at the same time reducing player agency and ruining the choice of risk and reward the game is built around. Unpatched, it's not really worth playing. Meanwhile, the devs appear to be putting all their focus into shilling their new dlc and have not acknowledged the seriousness of the problem as far as I've been able to tell.

As it stands, the terrible port has caused me to give up on the game, which is why I'm rating this so low. The gams itself is pretty good, the I like it a lot less than first game but for a lot of complex reasons I'm not going to get into here. Almost all of the changes are lateral ones that arent worse, just very different and less of my preference. If the game functioned properly, I'd probably give it 4 stars. I've only beaten 3 out of 5 campaigns, so maybe that would rise or fall.

For now, this rating represents my frustration and disappointment in the dev team for the sloppy state of its release.

Ok, I've reached a breaking point with this game (or a Meltdown, to use it's own parlance).

The glitches in the current Switch version of the game are coming close to utterly ruining the experience. So I'm gonna quit playing until the game is actually functional. Frequent crashes are bad, but I've never lost progress from them and I have mostly figured out the ways to avoid them. But the Loathing mechanic being bugged is literally just making an intentionally very difficult game much, much harder by completely removing the intended method for mitigating it.

For those that dont know, Loathing is a sort of general difficulty increase that ramps up throughout the game as you cross certain randomly placed thresholds. It makes everything more difficult, and if it goes up 4 points it permanently buffs the final boss of the run. You're meant to reduce loathing by choosing to fight the enemies at fixed locations, which are more difficult than road battles and can be avoided or skipped.

Except that because of the bug, that just literally doesnt work most of the time. So you either flee from the battles playing the game in the wrong way, and accept that you are now playing on an unintended extra hard challenge mode, or risk fighting the hard battle and usually gaining nothing for doing so. Kinda ruins the entire strategic balance and renders your travel decisions kinda meaningless.

I have a lot of other problems with the game that are making it a lesser experience than the first game, but those are all a matter of taste. But the state of this port is simply inexcusable.

Darkest Dungeon II is just a series of missteps and maladaptations that took a unique dungeon crawler and turned it into one of the least compelling roguelites I've ever played. The art is literally the only part of this game where Red Hook made improvements to the first game - the gameplay, progression, story, just everything else here is just worse.

Of my biggest gripes is definitely the metaprogression system. I want to be clear - I think metaprogression in any roguelike game, beyond unlocks to help you slowly learn the game - is a bad idea, especially in a difficult game like DD2. Tons of the upgrades offer you objective improvements that make your characters' stats better, and in order to unlock new moves, you need to visit optional objectives along the route. This leads to feeling like that you're not playing the "actual game" until you've grinded out a bunch of these unlocks, and instead, your runs go from actual attempts to win to farming routes. I cannot stress enough, this just feels like an absolute waste of time.

Second, the carriage. Honestly, this is something I would never have expected to have been a problem, but the fucking carriage is just so awful. Between each location, you sit there and watch the carriage drag your party along. It's horribly dull and Red Hook seems to even realize how much it's boring you - they added a feature where you can try to run over boxes and things for a chance for a small consumable here and there, but otherwise, it's just a complete and utter waste of time. It baffles me how this even made it into the game. At least in DD1 there were interesting curio that offered you a choice to investigate or interact with something - or to avoid it altogether. Here, there's simply nothing of the like. Compare this to any similar route based roguelite like Slay the Spire, or the Void Rains Upon Her Heart, and you'll notice that none of these games waste the player's time with transit. There's no option to speed up the carriage or skip it, either. Again, this doesn't seem like something that should spoil the game for someone, but once you play it a couple of times, you'll begin to notice what a massive amount of your time is being wasted on this padding.

My last criticism is with the setting of the game, though it's not necessarily something that's wrong with the game. What I loved about the first DD is that though it had fantastical elements, a lot of it ultimately felt grounded. You crawled through a dangerous dungeon that could frequently threaten your characters lives and engaged in combat with horrible beasts and sneaky traps, needing to carefully plan out what resources you'd bring to address the different possibilities. The second game has a much more surrealist setting and as a result, it feels completely ungrounded. Sometimes this can be a great boon, as you can take the setting in any direction that you like, but I don't think the game makes as good of a use of these elements as it could beyond enemy design. I really felt like the locations of DD1 could be real, whereas 2 feels like a video game.

The one improvement DD2 makes is the artstyle. The character models and every frame of their animation is a work of art and they truly outdid themselves with the transition to 3D. The enemy designs in terms of both visual appearance and combat are also terrific wins for the game.

Skip this one or continue playing DD1 if you're into the combat formula. Sorry.

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The longer I play this game, the more I like it. It might even become my favourite of the two in the series.

When you start you have no idea where you are going in a game that is all about the journey. It looks small and repetitive at first, but it's not.

I am currently 36 hours in and I only have 14/65 achievements and I still have a lot of places to experience.

This is probably going to be one of my "I've only got an hour or two to spend, what am I going to play" games for the rest of the year as I slowly work my way through unlocking all the characters and upgrades and finding all the locations and bosses.

The first game showed you what you could explore, this one hides everything from you until you unlock more and more as you play.

So far a strong 5-star contender, but it will take forever to finish, if there is an ending at all.

I hope people love it as much as I do, so they have the means to expand it with DLC/Addons in the future.

Very different from the first game. The map reminds me of the map in Slay The Spire - three choices at the start and lots of question marks, a place to heal, a tower to reveal everything on the map etc.

It feels good to be back in this universe and to be reunited with the characters and the narrator, but it is more of a rogue light now and I am not sure if I like it yet. Having each character have a story that you can reveal along the way is neat and extremely well done.

It also seems to be harder than the first one, and I thought the first one was hard.

I am not far enough into the game to judge and I am enjoying the game, I am also yelling at the screen again like I did while playing the first, so RNG is mean to me again.

I highly recommend reading every entry in the tutorial book as there is a lot of new stuff to unpack and learn.